Claim: Dragons can use Tiers about Racial Level / 3
"Some really rough calculations with ECDL and WDL showed that the numbers sort of line up if Dragon racials count for 1/3 of proper Arcane Caster levels for the purpose of tiering"
46/3 = Approx 15
Level 46; can use Tier 3 Magic.
Dragonling 1-10 Young Dragon 11-20 Adult Dragon 21-30
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46-50
1-16 Tier 1 17-32 Tier 2 33-48 Tier 3
Not universal since Hamusuke can use Tier 4 at a lower level.
Cure Elim can use Tier 5 magic (only Necromancy?)
"[Triplet Magic Undying Flame]." As that fifth-tier spell took effect, Cure Elim's hooked claws and fangs blazed with bluish-white flame. This was a spell that added negative energy and fire damage.
[V14]
While Dragon Lords cannot cast tiered spells, it is no longer a Dragon Lord but an undead being, so it can cast necromantic tiered spells. Cure Elim used this loophole to strengthen itself.
[V14]
95/3 = Approx 32
Racial = 50/3 = 16
Plus:
Sorcerer 1 + Dragon Necromancer 7 + World Connector 9/Overred Dragon 10
16+18/17=33/34 Tier 5
Primitive Caster is a Wild Magic only (makes sense) True Vampire Dragon probably ins't a Tier magic class given Vampires don't get Tier Magic in YGGDRASIL Soul Blasphemer sounds like a Wild Magic class.
The only ones up for debate are Overred/Aubade/Overlord Dragon and World Connector. World Connector could be a Wild Magic class, but we know all Tier Magic connects to the world as well. Dragon Necromancer is a Job class so it should be Wild Magic given how Ainz complimented his control as beyond even his pure Necromancy build, but for now we'll assume Tier Magic.
At absolute worst case:
Sorcerer 1 + Dragon Necromancer 7 = 8 or Two Tiers.
16+8=24
The issue is that the Wild Magic type classes need to have at least one made into Tier Magic fo this Racial/3 Theory to work.
Dragonling 1-10 Young Dragon 11-20 Adult Dragon 21-30
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46-50
True Vampire Dragon 1
Sorcerer 1
"—No. He can’t possibly use spells of such a high tier. I once heard that he had learned a 3rd-tier spell of flame resistance." He should probably say that, right? His father was not a foe who should be underestimated. "Umu —I see. Well, it’s only natural that one would want to cover up one’s weaknesses."
[V11]
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46
Total 16 Levels
By 7 Levels Per TIer-a Tier 3 user
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46-50
True Vampire Dragon 1?
Sorcerer 1
Total Levels - 20 Innate Tier levels
1 Job Tier Level
1 Unknown Racial Level
22 Tier Magic levels.
Racial Levels (51 total) - Dragonling 10 - Young 10 - Adult 10 - Old 10 - Elder 5 - Ancient 5 - True Vampire Dragon 1 Job Levels (44 total) - Primitive Caster 10 - Dragon Necromancer 7 - World Connector 9 - Aubade Dragon 10 - Soul Blasphemer 7 - Sorcerer 1
Racial Levels (51 total) - Dragonling 10 - Young 10 - Adult 10 - Old 10 Magic - Elder 5 Magic - Ancient 5 Magic - True Vampire Dragon 1 Job Levels (44 total) - Primitive Caster 10 Magic - Dragon Necromancer 7 Magic - World Connector 9 Magic - Aubade Dragon 10 ? - Soul Blasphemer 7 Magic? - Sorcerer 1 Magic
10+5+5+10+7+9+7 = 53 'magic classes'
Hamusuke around Level 28-32
Can use Tier 4 Magic.
If we assume that Dragons get Tier Magic at Level 30, that means Cure Elim had 20 Racial Levels of Dragon that upon death started to give him access to Necromancy. Thrown in Sorcerer, that makes 21. If World Connector also starts counting as Tier Magic, then that means he's at 30 and boom. A Tier 5 caster. If Dragon Necromancer and True Vampire Dragon count then boom Level 29, Tier 5. If Overred Dragon and Dragon Necromancer count then that means we have 20 Racial Levels that count, one Job class, and then an additional 17 levels. That should make him a Tier 6 caster.
Now, it's not confirmed that at Level 30 for certain that 7 Monster Levels Count for 1 Tier. But it's strongly implied by Hamusuke being around Level 30. The tricky part is what Job classes double count toward that Tier? Cure Elim only seemed to know a few spells, so some people think he can only learn new spells via Sorcerer, but his other classes retroactively count toward Usable Tier calculations.
Climb is at most Level 14 (7 Levels Per Tier) but at least Level 12 (Arcadia WN).
Climb Knows:
Slash, Fortress, Evade, Perception Enhancement, Ability Boost, Limit Break - Mind
"[Slash]!" He brought his sword up after initiating the maneuver, and then swung it down in an overhand chop. You need to develop a technique that you can deploy with confidence. After heeding the advice of a certain warrior, the untalented Climb had worked body and soul to produce this move, a strike that came from above.
[V5]
"[Fortress]!" —The look on Gazef’s face changed to one of shock as he heard Climb shout. The martial art [Fortress] did not require a shield or sword to be used. If desired, one could activate it with one’s armor or even bare hands
[V5]
Climb realized this and decided to change martial arts. He decided to fall back while using [Evade].
[V5]
Climb’s aim was to stall for time, but it was too risky to allow a magic caster to enhance himself with spells. Climb shouted loudly, using a martial art to enhance his senses, and charged in at Succulent
[V5]
With a roar, Climb activated the ‘Ability Boost’ and the ‘Strengthen Perception’ martial arts and closed the distance to Succulent in one breath.
[V5]
Climb activated the unique martial art he had mastered yesterday. This move did not have a name. If he had to pick one on short notice, he might call it [Limit Breaker — Mind]. Its effect was simple enough; it released the human brain’s limitations on the human body. Through this, all his attributes — from his senses to his physical abilities — reached the next level.
[V5]
Because the max number of MAs that can be used at once is limited by level, if a person can only learn so many Martial Arts per level, then using Climb as a test case, he knows 7 Martial Arts. We don't know if he can learn more, but that means he can learn a new Martial Art every 2 Warrior Levels.
Go Gin, a self described Silver Warrior knew 6 Confirmed Martial Arts with two speculated Martial Arts:
Thus Go Gin does vaguely follow the One Martial Art Per Each 2 Warrior Levels
Unnamed Explosion Ground Hit That Causes An Echo?, Reinforce Hide, Greater Reinforce Hide, Strong Strike, Divine Flash, Flow Acceleration, Impact Transfer Martial Art to Destablize?, Speed Enhancement Martial Art,
Ainz managed to dodge by the skin of his teeth. The club slammed into the ground, releasing a thunderous impact that even produced an echo. The smoke and dust it produced gusted up like an explosion. Worried about any follow-up strikes, Ainz fell back several paces. After the dust cleared, the shadow of the Martial Lord, club in hand, appeared from within it. A great cry rose up from the arena. Was it a martial art? Still …this is pretty exciting.
[Reinforce Hide], [Greater Reinforce Hide]! The Martial Lord activated his martial arts. It was as though he had released something from within his body which pushed back against the tip of the stiletto
With a roar, his vast body pressed in on Ainz. He was faster than just now. Perhaps he had activated a martial art.
Cheh! Ainz lipped away just as the club struck. Perhaps it was because of a martial art, but the impact lowed through the ground and into Ainz’s body.
[Strong Strike], [Divine Skill Single Flash]! Ainz thought he saw a lash of light. In that instant, intense pain — immediately suppressed to tolerable levels — and a loating sensation illed him. [Flow Acceleration]!
He entered the Martial Lord’s attack range. The Martial Lord swung down. It was completely different from the speed at which he had raised it. He might have used martial arts to accelerate it. Still, it was nothing compared to the speed before he had his abilities penalized. It was far too slow.
Hekkeran Knew at least 6 MAs:
As he used a martial art to move at top speed toward Imina, a twinge of confusion ran through Hekkeran.
He followed up his yell with a martial art. First, he used [Limit Breaker]. There would be a price to pay, but it increased the amount of martial arts he could use at the same time. Next was the technique which made his body feel like something was being broken inside it, [Dull Pain]. After that was [Physical Boost] and a [Twin Blade Strike] made under the influence of [Iron Fist].
Gazef knew at least 14 Martial Arts.
Fourfold Slash of Light V6, Sixfold Slash of Light V1, Instant Counter V1, Flow Acceleration V1, Focus Battle Aura V1, Fortify Mind V1, Fortify Body Attributes V1, improve magic resistance V1, Pace of the wind V6, Sense Weakness V9, Possibility Sense V9, Four Times Cost Martial Art A V1, Four Times Cost Martial Art B V1, and Ultimate Martial Art V9.
Using our hypothesis that does put Gazef at around Level 28 (Learn one Every 2 Levels).
2 X (Martial Arts Known) = Warrior Levels
Gazef glared at the six angels surrounding him. Sixfold Slash of Light!
Instant Counter! Gazef used his martial art just as the angel swung, and his body blurred away like mist.
Flow Acceleration! With luid, graceful moves, he dispatched the angels one after the other.
They did not know how to use theFocus Battle Auramartial art like Gazef could, and without magic weapons, even if Gazef’s men could injure the angels, they could not inish them off.
A warrior like Gazef could use six different kinds of martial arts at once, and combined with his hidden ultimate attack, that made seven martial arts at once. Until now, he had been using martial arts to improve his physical attributes, fortify his mind, improve his magic resistance, temporarily render his weapon magical, as well as another technique that he used on hitting an opponent. That made ive martial arts.
In particular, theSixfold Slash of Lightrequired three times the focus of his other techniques. Gazef had two ultimate attacks like this, but he could only use them with four other martial arts at the same time.
”[Sixfold Slash of Light]! [Pace of the Wind]! Hnnnnnn!”
He activated a martial art — [Sense Weakness]. However
This was a secret move that was truly worthy of being called a secret move, a technique that strengthened his extrasensory perceptions, [Possibility Sense].
Yes. It came from a former adamantite-ranked adventurer of the Kingdom. It was a martial art invented by Vestia Croft Di Lofan, but he could not use it because of his advanced age. If my greatest secret move, [Nail Clipper] is the result of using multiple martial arts at once, Gazef’s trump is the strongest single technique. Who knows, that blow …it might even be able to reach Ainz Ooal Gown.
"Some really rough calculations with ECDL and WDL showed that the numbers sort of line up if Dragon racials count for 1/3 of proper Arcane Caster levels for the purpose of tiering"
46/3 = Approx 15
Level 46; can use Tier 3 Magic.
Dragonling 1-10 Young Dragon 11-20 Adult Dragon 21-30
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46-50
Uniform Distribution
1-15 Tier 1 16-30 Tier 2 31-45 Tier 31-16 Tier 1 17-32 Tier 2 33-48 Tier 3
Not universal since Hamusuke can use Tier 4 at a lower level.
Cure Elim can use Tier 5 magic (only Necromancy?)
"[Triplet Magic Undying Flame]." As that fifth-tier spell took effect, Cure Elim's hooked claws and fangs blazed with bluish-white flame. This was a spell that added negative energy and fire damage.
[V14]
While Dragon Lords cannot cast tiered spells, it is no longer a Dragon Lord but an undead being, so it can cast necromantic tiered spells. Cure Elim used this loophole to strengthen itself.
[V14]
95/3 = Approx 32
Racial = 50/3 = 16
Plus:
Sorcerer 1 + Dragon Necromancer 7 + World Connector 9/Overred Dragon 10
16+18/17=33/34 Tier 5
Primitive Caster is a Wild Magic only (makes sense) True Vampire Dragon probably ins't a Tier magic class given Vampires don't get Tier Magic in YGGDRASIL Soul Blasphemer sounds like a Wild Magic class.
The only ones up for debate are Overred/Aubade/Overlord Dragon and World Connector. World Connector could be a Wild Magic class, but we know all Tier Magic connects to the world as well. Dragon Necromancer is a Job class so it should be Wild Magic given how Ainz complimented his control as beyond even his pure Necromancy build, but for now we'll assume Tier Magic.
At absolute worst case:
Sorcerer 1 + Dragon Necromancer 7 = 8 or Two Tiers.
16+8=24
The issue is that the Wild Magic type classes need to have at least one made into Tier Magic fo this Racial/3 Theory to work.
Dragonling 1-10 Young Dragon 11-20 Adult Dragon 21-30
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46-50
True Vampire Dragon 1
Sorcerer 1
Counter Claim - Only racial Levels Old and above count toward Tier magic calculations
Level 46; can use Tier 3 Magic."—No. He can’t possibly use spells of such a high tier. I once heard that he had learned a 3rd-tier spell of flame resistance." He should probably say that, right? His father was not a foe who should be underestimated. "Umu —I see. Well, it’s only natural that one would want to cover up one’s weaknesses."
[V11]
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46
Total 16 Levels
By 7 Levels Per TIer-a Tier 3 user
Old Dragon 31-40 Elder Dragon 41-45 Ancient Dragon 46-50
True Vampire Dragon 1?
Sorcerer 1
Total Levels - 20 Innate Tier levels
1 Job Tier Level
1 Unknown Racial Level
22 Tier Magic levels.
Racial Levels (51 total) - Dragonling 10 - Young 10 - Adult 10 - Old 10 - Elder 5 - Ancient 5 - True Vampire Dragon 1 Job Levels (44 total) - Primitive Caster 10 - Dragon Necromancer 7 - World Connector 9 - Aubade Dragon 10 - Soul Blasphemer 7 - Sorcerer 1
Racial Levels (51 total) - Dragonling 10 - Young 10 - Adult 10 - Old 10 Magic - Elder 5 Magic - Ancient 5 Magic - True Vampire Dragon 1 Job Levels (44 total) - Primitive Caster 10 Magic - Dragon Necromancer 7 Magic - World Connector 9 Magic - Aubade Dragon 10 ? - Soul Blasphemer 7 Magic? - Sorcerer 1 Magic
10+5+5+10+7+9+7 = 53 'magic classes'
- Old 10 Magic
- Elder 5 Magic
- Ancient 5 Magic
- Dragon Necromancer 7 Magic
- Sorcerer 1 Magic
Hamusuke around Level 28-32
Can use Tier 4 Magic.
If we assume that Dragons get Tier Magic at Level 30, that means Cure Elim had 20 Racial Levels of Dragon that upon death started to give him access to Necromancy. Thrown in Sorcerer, that makes 21. If World Connector also starts counting as Tier Magic, then that means he's at 30 and boom. A Tier 5 caster. If Dragon Necromancer and True Vampire Dragon count then boom Level 29, Tier 5. If Overred Dragon and Dragon Necromancer count then that means we have 20 Racial Levels that count, one Job class, and then an additional 17 levels. That should make him a Tier 6 caster.
Now, it's not confirmed that at Level 30 for certain that 7 Monster Levels Count for 1 Tier. But it's strongly implied by Hamusuke being around Level 30. The tricky part is what Job classes double count toward that Tier? Cure Elim only seemed to know a few spells, so some people think he can only learn new spells via Sorcerer, but his other classes retroactively count toward Usable Tier calculations.
Bonus:
Martial ArtsClimb is at most Level 14 (7 Levels Per Tier) but at least Level 12 (Arcadia WN).
Climb Knows:
Slash, Fortress, Evade, Perception Enhancement, Ability Boost, Limit Break - Mind
"[Slash]!" He brought his sword up after initiating the maneuver, and then swung it down in an overhand chop. You need to develop a technique that you can deploy with confidence. After heeding the advice of a certain warrior, the untalented Climb had worked body and soul to produce this move, a strike that came from above.
[V5]
"[Fortress]!" —The look on Gazef’s face changed to one of shock as he heard Climb shout. The martial art [Fortress] did not require a shield or sword to be used. If desired, one could activate it with one’s armor or even bare hands
[V5]
Climb realized this and decided to change martial arts. He decided to fall back while using [Evade].
[V5]
Climb’s aim was to stall for time, but it was too risky to allow a magic caster to enhance himself with spells. Climb shouted loudly, using a martial art to enhance his senses, and charged in at Succulent
[V5]
With a roar, Climb activated the ‘Ability Boost’ and the ‘Strengthen Perception’ martial arts and closed the distance to Succulent in one breath.
[V5]
Climb activated the unique martial art he had mastered yesterday. This move did not have a name. If he had to pick one on short notice, he might call it [Limit Breaker — Mind]. Its effect was simple enough; it released the human brain’s limitations on the human body. Through this, all his attributes — from his senses to his physical abilities — reached the next level.
[V5]
Because the max number of MAs that can be used at once is limited by level, if a person can only learn so many Martial Arts per level, then using Climb as a test case, he knows 7 Martial Arts. We don't know if he can learn more, but that means he can learn a new Martial Art every 2 Warrior Levels.
Go Gin, a self described Silver Warrior knew 6 Confirmed Martial Arts with two speculated Martial Arts:
Thus Go Gin does vaguely follow the One Martial Art Per Each 2 Warrior Levels
Unnamed Explosion Ground Hit That Causes An Echo?, Reinforce Hide, Greater Reinforce Hide, Strong Strike, Divine Flash, Flow Acceleration, Impact Transfer Martial Art to Destablize?, Speed Enhancement Martial Art,
Ainz managed to dodge by the skin of his teeth. The club slammed into the ground, releasing a thunderous impact that even produced an echo. The smoke and dust it produced gusted up like an explosion. Worried about any follow-up strikes, Ainz fell back several paces. After the dust cleared, the shadow of the Martial Lord, club in hand, appeared from within it. A great cry rose up from the arena. Was it a martial art? Still …this is pretty exciting.
[Reinforce Hide], [Greater Reinforce Hide]! The Martial Lord activated his martial arts. It was as though he had released something from within his body which pushed back against the tip of the stiletto
With a roar, his vast body pressed in on Ainz. He was faster than just now. Perhaps he had activated a martial art.
Cheh! Ainz lipped away just as the club struck. Perhaps it was because of a martial art, but the impact lowed through the ground and into Ainz’s body.
[Strong Strike], [Divine Skill Single Flash]! Ainz thought he saw a lash of light. In that instant, intense pain — immediately suppressed to tolerable levels — and a loating sensation illed him. [Flow Acceleration]!
He entered the Martial Lord’s attack range. The Martial Lord swung down. It was completely different from the speed at which he had raised it. He might have used martial arts to accelerate it. Still, it was nothing compared to the speed before he had his abilities penalized. It was far too slow.
Hekkeran Knew at least 6 MAs:
As he used a martial art to move at top speed toward Imina, a twinge of confusion ran through Hekkeran.
He followed up his yell with a martial art. First, he used [Limit Breaker]. There would be a price to pay, but it increased the amount of martial arts he could use at the same time. Next was the technique which made his body feel like something was being broken inside it, [Dull Pain]. After that was [Physical Boost] and a [Twin Blade Strike] made under the influence of [Iron Fist].
Gazef knew at least 14 Martial Arts.
Fourfold Slash of Light V6, Sixfold Slash of Light V1, Instant Counter V1, Flow Acceleration V1, Focus Battle Aura V1, Fortify Mind V1, Fortify Body Attributes V1, improve magic resistance V1, Pace of the wind V6, Sense Weakness V9, Possibility Sense V9, Four Times Cost Martial Art A V1, Four Times Cost Martial Art B V1, and Ultimate Martial Art V9.
Using our hypothesis that does put Gazef at around Level 28 (Learn one Every 2 Levels).
2 X (Martial Arts Known) = Warrior Levels
Gazef glared at the six angels surrounding him. Sixfold Slash of Light!
Instant Counter! Gazef used his martial art just as the angel swung, and his body blurred away like mist.
Flow Acceleration! With luid, graceful moves, he dispatched the angels one after the other.
They did not know how to use theFocus Battle Auramartial art like Gazef could, and without magic weapons, even if Gazef’s men could injure the angels, they could not inish them off.
A warrior like Gazef could use six different kinds of martial arts at once, and combined with his hidden ultimate attack, that made seven martial arts at once. Until now, he had been using martial arts to improve his physical attributes, fortify his mind, improve his magic resistance, temporarily render his weapon magical, as well as another technique that he used on hitting an opponent. That made ive martial arts.
In particular, theSixfold Slash of Lightrequired three times the focus of his other techniques. Gazef had two ultimate attacks like this, but he could only use them with four other martial arts at the same time.
”[Sixfold Slash of Light]! [Pace of the Wind]! Hnnnnnn!”
He activated a martial art — [Sense Weakness]. However
This was a secret move that was truly worthy of being called a secret move, a technique that strengthened his extrasensory perceptions, [Possibility Sense].
Yes. It came from a former adamantite-ranked adventurer of the Kingdom. It was a martial art invented by Vestia Croft Di Lofan, but he could not use it because of his advanced age. If my greatest secret move, [Nail Clipper] is the result of using multiple martial arts at once, Gazef’s trump is the strongest single technique. Who knows, that blow …it might even be able to reach Ainz Ooal Gown.
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