Hai hai, Ziggy desu.
Okay, so this is mainly an addendum to the mechanical looks at Runesmithing and the whole "blobs" thing with Divine magic. Ziggy lumps them together because he got his hands on what is almost guranteed to be something Maru ripped off. It has a few things besides these!
For Runecraft:
Ziggy brought this up but it's pretty clear Maruyama fused the ideas from D&D and this other series to make his Runecrafting system. Well this new book actually has one of the Runes Gondo mentions at least in terms of function.
A curious thing though: both series have explanations for why Runesmiths would encounter explosions like we hear about in V11.
Now for any of you who go to D&D to explain Overlord, you likely hit a wall with Runesmithing. That is because the D&D Runesmithign is very combat focused. Well in this case, like Ziggy tries to tell people, Runesmithing actually favors this other game more. It not only shares the weakness of taking a long time, there being limits to how many runes can be used at once, or so on, but it even explains what these explosions are coming from.
Effectively, Runecraft has certain rules and if you mess with these, the Runecraft failure isn't like other failed spells. Insted it fucking explodes!
So what was Gondo doing then with his team?
Well basically they were trying to find where the Rules can and cannot be applied it seems. Ziggy feels that Gondo's breaktrhough will be consumable or temproary runes since in this game that speeds up the process a fuck ton. How these explosions work is basically the stronger the rune or a rune that takes a long time to make means the explosion gets bigger and stronger, as if all the energy you are trying to store just rushes out.
These explosions happen for temporary runes as well!
But...
These explosions can happen if you try to force Runes on already enchanted items as well!
So...
Was Gondo trying to combine magic and runes? Ziggy thinks not, since it's well known Runes and Tier Magic do not get along. But Ainz could have tried to see if RUnes can be put on Artifacts or something which does not inherently have Tier Magic.
Since Ziggy will fight any of you on the point Runesmith comes from YGGDRASIL, this is likely no good because like a game analysis suggests, Runesmithing was intentionally made weaker than normal enchanting for balance reasons and the idea that it's not able to compete with weapon enchantments. Instead, its far better at large scale works where it's cheapness and time restrictions actually make up for Tier enchanting advantages.
Ziggy just wanted to share why those explosions MIGHT have been happening. Ziggy feels really confident now though. Not only does Tier Magic have Temporary Enchantments in both the WN and LN, but now this new game book even gives us hints at the result of Gondo's experiments.
Well at least Ziggy thinks so...
In conclusion; always be wary of just relying on D&D. Maru loves to pull random shit from other games you have never heard about.
That was only a baby version of this bigger cluster fuck though....
Divine magic.
Go read the articles on this if you haven't already.
Basically, Ziggy will summarize ti though.
You have various specializations in Divine magic which get down to what KIND of Divine caster you want to be. IE for those who know only D&D you only know of the Cleric type. Priest is actually a less physical Cleric who is basically a Divine Mage with little perks. Bishop itself is a hybrid of Arcane and Divine. And all three of these each come from a different game.
In all three of these games though, the notion of having a God was mandatory. But in the WN, we learn that Ainz proves there is no God required for Divine magic. So what gives? We know Lizardmen are Druids and Shamans and dont' believe in Gods initially but convert. We hear nothing of them having problems either.
But we know for some reason that Roberdyck and other people are so convinced that Gods do exist because you can "feel " them. But like a previous artilcle attemtps to convey, these masses of power are not gods but just blobs.
Its not the name of the god that matters, just the blob you need to use your magic.
Now in D&D you get spells form the God each day. But in the game where Priest comes from you have MP and need it to use the spells which are acquired from god to learn them rather than books. The Bishop game doesn't go in depth about this.
In this new game though, with none of the above, Divine magic actually functions like this:
Divine Caster uses Heal. Caster loses MP.
A magical signal goes out to the blob.
The blob acquires the MP used. The blob then sends back down the spell casting itonbehalf of the Divine caster.
So why does it increase with classes in power?
Well basically, the big idea Maruyama seems to be TRYING to get acorss is that Divine castesr are not people who make Gods do things for them. Rather, they are people who are attuned to the transmission of energy in a sense. IE they know hot/cold spells, Postive/Negative spells, steal/give MP. IE Divien castesr are really just satelites or antennas for these blobs and the spells they 'learn' represent how their 'prayers' harness energy in the same way they can harness MP and send it out thorugh a prayer to the 'gods' or blobs.
Or at least that seems the case to Ziggy based on putting all these different games together....
This isn't the first time that Maruyama did this either. Just look at how Rider vs Tamer vs Mount Users differ and seem so weird. It's because they are all from different games! f
Well the same goes for Divine casters in Maru's head at least.
It's important to note that Maruyama likes Ur Priest as well, or basically Arcane mages who learn to use Divine magic without prayers and this very cynical view on Divine magic would be right up his alley...
Well that or Ziggy is really just trying to force tinfoil hats on you all!
Ziggy is only basing this off what he's revealed so far though and how it lines up with how the Ur Priest functions. IE in a world with actual gods an Ur Priest makes no sense since the God would find out most likely. But if the 'Gods' are really just blobs of power, then Ur Priest are fucking ground breaking!
That moment you realize Maruyama ignored all the God mechancis in TRPG just so he could make his favorite class make sense.... Kappa.
Well consider, if the blobs really cared would Shalltear's disrespect for her god not been blasphemous? Or her own worship of the Supreme Beings?
Or, would Calca have been allowed to research Divine beauty magic for herself and not for her God?
But wait, there's more!
Well remember how we were talking about how Undead form their own Blobs of hatred?
Well in another game God itself is a blob of Souls!
In this sense, you can think of the fact Maruyama rejected the updated canon of D&D which segregated Druids and Divine castesr as a sign of sorts. He obviously knows about it, but kept them together. Maybe the Lizardmen have a better idea of how their power works than churches which need gods... well before Ainz came.
Ziggy hopes that was interesting or at least made you ponder potential reveals in the Theocracy arc!
(o_o)7
Okay, so this is mainly an addendum to the mechanical looks at Runesmithing and the whole "blobs" thing with Divine magic. Ziggy lumps them together because he got his hands on what is almost guranteed to be something Maru ripped off. It has a few things besides these!
For Runecraft:
Ziggy brought this up but it's pretty clear Maruyama fused the ideas from D&D and this other series to make his Runecrafting system. Well this new book actually has one of the Runes Gondo mentions at least in terms of function.
A curious thing though: both series have explanations for why Runesmiths would encounter explosions like we hear about in V11.
They had come in the summer, and during the course of fall and winter, they had become close friends. Are those people still making new magic items? Until about two months ago, the sound of explosions and flashes of light had been a common occurrence, but now everything had settled down.[V11]
Now for any of you who go to D&D to explain Overlord, you likely hit a wall with Runesmithing. That is because the D&D Runesmithign is very combat focused. Well in this case, like Ziggy tries to tell people, Runesmithing actually favors this other game more. It not only shares the weakness of taking a long time, there being limits to how many runes can be used at once, or so on, but it even explains what these explosions are coming from.
Effectively, Runecraft has certain rules and if you mess with these, the Runecraft failure isn't like other failed spells. Insted it fucking explodes!
So what was Gondo doing then with his team?
Well basically they were trying to find where the Rules can and cannot be applied it seems. Ziggy feels that Gondo's breaktrhough will be consumable or temproary runes since in this game that speeds up the process a fuck ton. How these explosions work is basically the stronger the rune or a rune that takes a long time to make means the explosion gets bigger and stronger, as if all the energy you are trying to store just rushes out.
These explosions happen for temporary runes as well!
But...
These explosions can happen if you try to force Runes on already enchanted items as well!
So...
Was Gondo trying to combine magic and runes? Ziggy thinks not, since it's well known Runes and Tier Magic do not get along. But Ainz could have tried to see if RUnes can be put on Artifacts or something which does not inherently have Tier Magic.
Since Ziggy will fight any of you on the point Runesmith comes from YGGDRASIL, this is likely no good because like a game analysis suggests, Runesmithing was intentionally made weaker than normal enchanting for balance reasons and the idea that it's not able to compete with weapon enchantments. Instead, its far better at large scale works where it's cheapness and time restrictions actually make up for Tier enchanting advantages.
Ziggy just wanted to share why those explosions MIGHT have been happening. Ziggy feels really confident now though. Not only does Tier Magic have Temporary Enchantments in both the WN and LN, but now this new game book even gives us hints at the result of Gondo's experiments.
Well at least Ziggy thinks so...
In conclusion; always be wary of just relying on D&D. Maru loves to pull random shit from other games you have never heard about.
That was only a baby version of this bigger cluster fuck though....
Divine magic.
Go read the articles on this if you haven't already.
Basically, Ziggy will summarize ti though.
You have various specializations in Divine magic which get down to what KIND of Divine caster you want to be. IE for those who know only D&D you only know of the Cleric type. Priest is actually a less physical Cleric who is basically a Divine Mage with little perks. Bishop itself is a hybrid of Arcane and Divine. And all three of these each come from a different game.
In all three of these games though, the notion of having a God was mandatory. But in the WN, we learn that Ainz proves there is no God required for Divine magic. So what gives? We know Lizardmen are Druids and Shamans and dont' believe in Gods initially but convert. We hear nothing of them having problems either.
But we know for some reason that Roberdyck and other people are so convinced that Gods do exist because you can "feel " them. But like a previous artilcle attemtps to convey, these masses of power are not gods but just blobs.
Its not the name of the god that matters, just the blob you need to use your magic.
Now in D&D you get spells form the God each day. But in the game where Priest comes from you have MP and need it to use the spells which are acquired from god to learn them rather than books. The Bishop game doesn't go in depth about this.
In this new game though, with none of the above, Divine magic actually functions like this:
Divine Caster uses Heal. Caster loses MP.
A magical signal goes out to the blob.
The blob acquires the MP used. The blob then sends back down the spell casting itonbehalf of the Divine caster.
So why does it increase with classes in power?
Well basically, the big idea Maruyama seems to be TRYING to get acorss is that Divine castesr are not people who make Gods do things for them. Rather, they are people who are attuned to the transmission of energy in a sense. IE they know hot/cold spells, Postive/Negative spells, steal/give MP. IE Divien castesr are really just satelites or antennas for these blobs and the spells they 'learn' represent how their 'prayers' harness energy in the same way they can harness MP and send it out thorugh a prayer to the 'gods' or blobs.
Or at least that seems the case to Ziggy based on putting all these different games together....
This isn't the first time that Maruyama did this either. Just look at how Rider vs Tamer vs Mount Users differ and seem so weird. It's because they are all from different games! f
Well the same goes for Divine casters in Maru's head at least.
It's important to note that Maruyama likes Ur Priest as well, or basically Arcane mages who learn to use Divine magic without prayers and this very cynical view on Divine magic would be right up his alley...
Well that or Ziggy is really just trying to force tinfoil hats on you all!
Ziggy is only basing this off what he's revealed so far though and how it lines up with how the Ur Priest functions. IE in a world with actual gods an Ur Priest makes no sense since the God would find out most likely. But if the 'Gods' are really just blobs of power, then Ur Priest are fucking ground breaking!
That moment you realize Maruyama ignored all the God mechancis in TRPG just so he could make his favorite class make sense.... Kappa.
Londes Di Gelanpo had probably cursed his gods more times in the past ten seconds than he had in the rest of his life. If the gods really did exist, then they should defeat that evil being right now. Londes was a faithful man —why had the gods abandoned him? The gods did not exist. In the past, he had looked down on those people who did not believe in the gods as fools. After all, if the gods did not exist, how could the priests work their magic?[V1]
Well consider, if the blobs really cared would Shalltear's disrespect for her god not been blasphemous? Or her own worship of the Supreme Beings?
"Don’t think I’ve seen that spell before …are you two magic casters?" Both of them wore dresses, garments that were unsuitable for combat. However, if they were magic casters, he could understand why they did not wear armor. "I am a divine magic caster who venerates the First of the Blood, the Divine Ancestor Cainabel." "The Shin-sow Kine-able?’ Never heard of him before, is he some sort of evil deity?" "That is correct, but he was defeated by the Supreme Beings. Apparently, he was just a weak event boss,’ or something. One would expect nothing less of the Supreme Beings."[V3]
Or, would Calca have been allowed to research Divine beauty magic for herself and not for her God?
In order to maintain her appearance—keep her skin looking young— she has even gone and developed new Divine spells for skin care. She uses herself as a guinea pig and has thus accumulated much knowledge in that field, which makes her the most skilled beautician in the human kingdoms.[V12]
Maruyama mains Ur-Priest[Maruyama in his blog]
"Well, do listen. That’s just my theory. But if that were the case, if you do borrow the power of the gods to work your magic, could dead people provide it to you? Or rather, what are the gods? Do they even exist? Are you really using the power of the gods?" "…What are you trying to say?" "…Have you ever seen the gods?" "The gods are always by my side!" "That is to say, you’ve never actually seen them directly, then?" "No! When we use our spells, we feel the presence of a mighty being. That is our god!" "…And who declared that that presence to be a god? The god himself? Or someone else drawing on that power?" Roberdyck recalled the theological debates he had taken part in. There was no clear answer to Ainz’s questions. Until today, the priests still debated hotly over whether that was the proof of the gods’existence. Just as Roberdyck was about to speak, Ainz interrupted him. "…Well, supposing these super-dimensional beings—which we shall generously term gods for our purposes—do exist, I wonder if that means they were originally colorless entities. Simply put, they are masses of power. Because drawing on their power dyes them in a different color and changes the thing …well, they do exist in a world with magical laws, I just wanted someone to chat with someone about this. It wouldn’t be funny if there really were gods." "My apologies. That was off-topic. The power of the god you believe in. I think we won’t be able to learn it …so do you want to take part in a human experiment?" "…A human experiment?" "That’s right. For instance, when we alter your memories so the god you believe in is someone else, what will happen after that?" He’s insane. That was Roberdyck’s deepest and most honest thought about the situation. No, he’s undead. It wouldn’t be strange no matter what he did. Ainz took a step back, looking with deep interest at Roberdyck. That look was the way a scholar would examine a laboratory animal, and it made Roberdyck want to throw up. "Why, why do you want to do that?" "To prove that god exists …eh, I’m not going to bother going on with that joke. Truthfully, I want to become stronger by understanding the nature of that power. And if those beings you call gods really exist, I want to know if they have emotions or thoughts. I want to confirm that. As for me, I have never thought of myself as a chosen being. In truth, there are many others like that."[V7]
"Well, our goal was to change his memory, but he could still use magic. Basically the Four Great Gods do not exist, and I assume that it is a large existence of power. Depending on how the existence is directed, it changes into the various powers of gods." After explaining that much, Ainz once again made a wry smile. "Well, anymore and it would dangerous and so we stopped. It is dangerous to play with an unknown energy. Well, if I say that then magic might be a problem but.It would be the best for our nerves to understand it is useless to dwell on it. And if gods are the physical expression of the direction of that power, if we can control that direction. We can control gods." Shalltear sent a gaze of respect to Ainz who said that they could control even gods. She was an NPC that recognised her master, the 41 Supreme Beings, were gods. She felt a happiness as if that was being recognised. "As expected of Ainz-sama." "Well, that method will be improbable though." Ainz threw his hands in the air. However, Shalltear was not the least bit disappointed. It did not come to him now but she believed in him. In the not far future, she believed that her master could control even gods.[WN]
But wait, there's more!
Well remember how we were talking about how Undead form their own Blobs of hatred?
Well in another game God itself is a blob of Souls!
It was only natural to kneel when faced with such awesome power. However, it was not just respect he felt from the Lizardmen, but something more intense than that. The Lizardmen did not worship any gods, and strictly speaking, their faith lay in their ancestors. Now, he sensed something like the reverence for a god from the surrounding Lizardmen.[V4]
In this sense, you can think of the fact Maruyama rejected the updated canon of D&D which segregated Druids and Divine castesr as a sign of sorts. He obviously knows about it, but kept them together. Maybe the Lizardmen have a better idea of how their power works than churches which need gods... well before Ainz came.
Ziggy hopes that was interesting or at least made you ponder potential reveals in the Theocracy arc!
(o_o)7
It's
funner for people to think I'm just making stuff up. That and I find it
makes Overlord appear less original if you know the sources. I'm like
Maru a bit since I think it's fine if people believe the sources are say
random MMOs or something instead.
I find most people dont' really care about the sources either and won't read them anyway.
But mainly it might limit your imagination if you see Overllrod like I do: a ripping off of all the interesting parts of various RPGs .
I find most people dont' really care about the sources either and won't read them anyway.
But mainly it might limit your imagination if you see Overllrod like I do: a ripping off of all the interesting parts of various RPGs .
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