Saturday, December 26, 2020

[Article] Use the Power of Charades Luke. (Sort of) Somatic Firearms

 

 

 

 (Random Person DMs me questions)

Why can't all of you just comment or ping like normal people? Seriously. There's at least 7 of you that do this. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. It is the way... I guess.

 

TL:DR Why did Somatic gestures come up in the sidestory? I thought Overlord didn't use components like D&D? 

For context,  the reference was:

Incidentally, he had no personal name, so Suzuki Satoru had named him Nu-runuru. It was supposed to be a temporary name at first, but he had decidedto use it.His–although hecould have been a her–voice was made by two tentacles that were open at the end, called voice strands. Therefore, a lot of excess noise got into his voice in places like this. However, he had the special ability of being

able to cast spells without verbal or somatic components,and instantly casting them while standing stock still. It was truly mysterious

[KBA] 

 TLDR: Yes, doesn't come up much. It's mainly hand/arm based.

Verbal components come up in Volume 4 and Volume 13 notably but somatic components is a more subtle detail about Overlord. I dont' blame people missing it. Maruyama seems to forget it exists too.Yes it exists however. Maruyama just doesn't bother detailing it much. I'm not going to get EVERY damn time but I'll try to  give a sampling. Volume 14's cover is a good example of it being shown in an illustration form.

Due to Martial Arts being in a weird place in universe, I'm not going to get into somatic aspects of Martial Arts.  It's pretty clear and usually Somatic doesn't apply to "non magic". I consider Martial Arts and flavor text 'native magic' however using Scrolls and Evileye as an example, Martial Arts are never seen as being 'magic' you can seal or make magic items at least. Similar to 'skills'or class abilities, they seem like 'magic' and require certain gestures or actions, ie somatic aspects, but do not actually require 'components'. Basically, a component, as it is typically defined is a fragment of a spell casting ritual to manifest a change in the world. One typically needs to pay the fuel price, vocalize a spell name, and perform a gesture of sorts to aid in using said spell. Martial Arts possess stances and gestures but be wary of calling these 'somatic'. Still we do see Innate magic and Skills require motions as well. So it's not something to get overly pissy about. Can we generalize and call it Stance Requirements to appease pedantic chad rule lawyers?

 In general Somatic tends to be hand and or arm based, being a certain finger, palm, or motion required. Competitively, if your hand and arms are pointed outward you can cast most things you would need, supposedly. Of these gestures you got Finger points, Palm Facing, and Arm Sweeps. Claps exist too but tis rare.

Actually, innate magic casters, the sort deemed as trash (since they are using high tier spells with no skill augmentation ) seem to not actually require somatic components in Overlord, but we do lack many examples. Which reflects it's Spell Like Ability nature. ...At least for races with Spell Glyphs. Igvua and Wrath are technically 'Monsters' but perform somatic gestures. We can postulate glyphs glowing can substitute for Somatic gestures but further evidence is needed to say for sure. 

Tangentially, Shalltear's Magic Rune did substitute for a Fuel Component for a Metamagic skill augmentation. Similarly gems and different pieces of magic items will glow to activate an ability. 

It's dangerous to say if all Totemic/Symbol Magic operates on all the same principles as well. For example Totem tattoos, spell tattoos, Monster glyphs, and Runes come about by different practices. Only Monster Glyphs are known to bypass it, but Maruyama could of just forgotten to write it. If you don't know, Maruyama omits Somatic gestures A LOT. 


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Tangent aside, if we look at Somatic Components it does seem like Multi Armed races firing off many simultaneous spells can be attributed to posessing more limbs to perform somatic como;. In theory each arm can fulfill a different  spell's Somatic Components at least. In terms of mana penalties however it may not be very effective. Most races don't do it howver so it could require specialized skills or it's not worth it.

 That is mostly conjecture however.

She activated three of these potent ― to her ― spells at once.She was simultaneously casting three spells, each one of which used asignificant amount of mana. In addition, simultaneously casting spells was very

draining in itself, and as the shock of using huge quantities of mana hit her, shefelt light and floaty, as though she were about to pass out.

[V13]

    Notes:

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Momonga pointed his finger, preparing to cast a spell on the straw man inthe corner of the arena.Momonga did not know many pure damage spells. Instead, he focused oninstant death spells with additional effects. As a result, he was less effectiveagainst non-living entities.  

...

.He channeled the jubilation in his heart — although his mood calmedquickly, he could still feel joy and excitement — into his fingertip, and spokethe words:“Fireball.”An expanding globe of flame shot out from the finger pointing at the strawman.

[V1] 

“Summon Primal Fire Elemental.”In accordance with Momonga’s will, the Orb of Fire grasped within one ofthe Staff’s snake mouths pulsed with puissance. Momonga could feel themovement of a mighty, invisible power and thrust the Staff of Ainz Ooal Gownforth. A vast ball of light bloomed from the tip of the Staff, and a vortex ofroaring flame spilled forth from that globe of radiance.

[V1] 

This calmness allowed him to make a cold, cruel decision.Momonga reached out an empty hand and cast his spell.“Grasp Heart.”

[V1]

A dragon-shaped bolt of white electricity crackled around Momonga’s armsand shoulders. The bolt flared brightly as it instantly surged out at the knightMomonga was pointing at.

[V1]  

“Good grief... I guess it’s my turn now.Hell Flame.”A small, wobbling mote of flame emerged from one of the fingers of Ainz’sright hand. It looked so feeble that anyone could blow it out if they wanted. Ittouched the body of the Principality of Observation, and looked terriblylaughable against the glittering body of the angel.

[V1]  

Ainz continued swinging his twin greatswords, and the Wise King of theForest continued its adroit deflection of his blows. Then another glyph on itsbody lit up, and it cast a spell.“Blindness.”Unlike the previousCharm Species, this non-mind-affecting spell of blindnesscould potentially have affected Ainz. However, Ainz had a racial skill whichrendered him immune to low tier magic. Therefore, the spell vanished withoutever taking effect.A different symbol lit up when it used that spell... it seems the symbols on its bodyrepresent the spells it can use..

[V2]  

At thesame time, the lightning bolt Narberal shot from her fingers was blocked bythe Skeletal Dragon’s tail and fizzled out.

[V2]  

She released her staff and clapped her hands together. As she drew themapart again, tongues of white lightning arced between them. They took the

form of dragons, and the air around them began glowing and crackling withenergy

[V2]

 Speaking with a cold, crystal clear voice, Ainz pointed his right-handgreatsword at the Wise King of the Forest and activated his skill.Despair Aura V.Since its instant death effect was too strong, he decided to reduce itspotency and instead activatedDespair Aura I’sfear effect

[V2] 


Shalltear stuck her index finger into the mass of blood floating above her anddrew out a strand of blood, which turned into a character before her. It lookedlike a Sanskrit character or a similar symbol, and it was called a Magic Rune.Shalltear possessed a class called Blood Drinker, and this was one of itsskills: Blood Pool. This orb of enchanted blood could store the blood of victimsfor various purposes. It could also drain mana from the blood, so one could useskills that augmented spells without consuming extra MP.“Penetrate Magic - Implosion.”

[V3]

Ainz cast his teleportation spell, and in the next moment, a berm of earthfilled his eyes. Though he was now safe at home, Ainz ordered in a panic:“Albedo! Watch out for anyone who might have teleported after us!”“Yes!”Albedo drew her weapon and stood by Ainz’s side. Ainz raised both hishands, taking a stance to deal with anything which might come.As time passed, Ainz allowed himself to slowly relax. Albedo too stood downfrom her ready stance, back into her normal posture.

[V3]

 Shalltear summoned the gigantic lance to her hand again, and cast it forthonce more.

[V3] 

The Lizardmen looked around in confusion and also to hide their fear. Justas they spotted an undead being in the distance, a fireball once more flew fromits hand.The head-sized ball of flame soared through the air in a straight line and flewinto the leader squad of the Lizardman troops

[V4]

How foolish. Did you think you could crawl all the way to me with thatslothful speed of yours? Well, beasts will be beasts.”With a mocking smile on his face, Igva conjured aFireballin his hand andlaunched it at the Hydra.It flew in a straight line and struck the Hydra dead center.

[V4]

Now, only one of its heads could still move. The other motionless headswere little more than dead weight. The sight of the undead creature conjuringanother fireball in its hand was a blurred scene in Rororo’s cloudy vision.

[V4]

The launchedFireballstreaked at the three Lizardmen.The leading Lizardman swung its sword and blocked theFireballwith a wallof freezing mist, and both vanished together

[V4]

By coincidence, his foes had strung themselves out into a straight line. Igvaextended a ginger and pointed at the three Lizardmen who were pressing in.Electricity crackled around that digit.“Taste myLightning!”

Zaryusu was still some distance away, but he could see the white lightcoruscating around Igva’s finger —Lightning

[V4]      

Igva glared unhappily at Crusch and pointed a finger at her.“Interfering busybody!Lightning!”\

[V4] 

“Cheh! 「Light-”“Too slow!”Frost Pain slashed in from the side, knocking away the finger Igva wasplanning to extend.“Gah!”“You let a warrior near you, magic caster! Don’t even think of casting spellsany more!”Legendary spellcasters aside, most magic casters who allowed an enemy toget close might find their spells disrupted during the casting.Even a powerful monster like Igva was no exception

[V4]

This was aSilent Magic - Magic Arrow. There was no preparation needed forsilenced spells, so they could not be interrupted. In addition, Magic Arrowswere unavoidable spells; not even by someone like Zaryusu.

[V4]    

Zaryusu was confused by Igva turning to run, but he pursued regardless. Igvatook a full-power hit from Zaryusu square in the back and wavered, but did notfall. Zaryusu clicked his tongue at Igva’s seemingly inexhaustible vitality andimmediately gave chase after the fleeing Igva.Igva turned, his face distorted with an anger that seemed unbecoming on anundead being, but his expression was tinted with shades of delight.Sizzling in his hand was a crimson light — aFireball.Confusion filled Zaryusu’s mind as he drew close.Does he plan to use an area-effect spell at such close range? Is he prepared tosacrifice himself — no!

[V4]

Sebas brought over one of the men and slapped him awake. The manregained consciousness with a shudder, and Sebas placed his hand on the man’s

head. Sebas had not used much force but within two seconds the man’s headlolled back, then snapped back to its original position like a pendulum.The man’s eyes were now unfocused, like he was drunk.Sebas began asking questions. The assassin, a man of a traditionally tight-lipped profession, sang like a canary. Faced with this bizarre sight, Climb askedSebas: “What did you do to him?”“This is a skill called thePuppeteer’s Palm... fortunately, it looks like itworked.

[V5]

 

Ignoring Evileye, who had misplayed her opening move, the man grandlyswept his hand. He looked like the conductor of an invisible orchestra.“Hellfire Wall.”A wave of heat crashed into her back. Evileye could not believe it, andhurriedly turned back to look.There was afoom, and then it seemed as though the night itself had caughtfire. Unnatural black flames surged into the sky

[V6] 

“—-You have no right! To say that! Uwaaaaaahhhh!”This was not a wail of despair, but a cry of anger. Evileye’s howl was full ofhatred as she broke into a sprint. No, it would be better to say she flew onwings of magic. She focused her mana into her fist, preparing a touch spell thatwould be difficult to nullify or resis

[V6]  

“My lord, O God of Earth! I beseech thee to purge the unclean!”The priest clasped his holy symbol, and his cry took the form of power. Acool, clean feeling surged through the burial vault – which had been filled withunclean air – in a wave of divine might that was more potent than usual. Thepriest used his ability to turn undead.

[V7]  

The wizardpointed the glowing tip of his staff at the passage ahead, where the sound wascoming from, ready to cast a spell at any time. The priest raised his holysymbol and the thief aimed his bow in the direction of the noise

[V7]  

“He doesn’t seem to want to... attack us?”The Elder Lich was clearly looking at Gringam, yet it had not made a move.It had not raised its staff, and neither had it begun incanting spells. It simplywatched them in silence.

[V7]

“Now then, let us begin.”As the Elder Lich spoke in its voice that did not sound like it wanted tonegotiate at all, seven staves rose into the air.

[V7]

“Elder Lich!”At the same time, he noticed lightning crackling on the lich’s finger.Hekkeran was familiar with the spell in question.Lightningproduced a straight line of piercing electricity, and there was onlyone way to dodge it.

[V7]

“Then I will go.Touch of Undeath.”“What kind of magic is it? Arche!”“I don’t know! I’ve never heard of it before!”The black fog which covered Ainz’s right hand was an unknown magic whichput them all on their guard.

...

Just as the bad feeling struck, Ainz’s form vanished.Hekkeran turned, trusting his instincts. In his eyes, he saw his companions’shocked faces. However, there was no time to explain. Especially to Imina. Ainzwas standing behind Imina, slowly reaching his right hand out to her.

[V7]     

Although Ainz took the full-power strike in the face, he did not react withpain as expected. Roberdyck followed up his attack, reaching out with his barehand.“Middle Cure Wounds!”The healing spell was targeted at Ainz

[V7]

“—Lightning!”Bluish-white lightning leapt from her staff’s head and cleaved through thenight. This was Arche’s strongest attack spell.

[V7]   

——What the hell are we fighting here?!”Ainz waved his arm. In response, a magic circle sprang into existence,roughly ten meters in radius and shaped like a dome. It was centered on him.The people on his left and right were engulfed by it, but they seemed fine. Itwould seem the magic circle did not harm allies.This fantastic sight drew everyone’s attention, even if they knew this was anemergency situation.The magic circle glowed bluish-white, and translucent symbols appearedacross its length and breadth. The sigils changed with kaleidoscopic speed,shifting between runes and letters that nobody had ever seen before.

[V9] 

Ainz opened his hand, and within it was a miniature hourglass.If he used a cash item, he could immediately cast the super-tier spell. Thereason why he had not done this was because he was serving as bait to verifythe existence of any possible players fromYggdrasil. However, if there werenone, then there was no need to wait out the long casting time for the spell.Having to stand immobile in the middle of a magic circle was quite uncool.

[V9]  4

Jircniv took out a key and opened a drawer. He withdrew a bottle fromwithin.Then, he pressed the silver ring he wore on his left hand against it.The Ring of Unicorn ― an item which could detect poisons and whichenhanced resistance to poison and disease, which could also heal wounds oncea day.

[V10] 

“I did not break the rules. This is a proper contest. That said, this is farbeyond the word ‘poison’. My touch can infuse negative energy into anopponent’s body. However, a Troll’s regeneration should be able to heal that.”

Ainz made the same gesture he used when touching the Martial Lord,opening and closing his fingers.“However, I have another ability in addition to that. I can inflict physicalability damage by touch. Thus, your strength and dexterity have been reduced.I don’t think you can healthat, can you?

[V10] 


The Martial Lord must be thinking that all he needed to do was worry aboutthe left hand.That was it. During Ainz’s experiments, he found that he could initiate touchattacks with any part of his body. If he felt like it, he could even use a headbuttto do so

[V10]

 “Death is the end of everything. Yet ― as some here might know, death canbe fought off.”Ainz withdrew a wand, and pointed it at the Martial Lord’s chest.It would be terribly embarrassing if he did not come back to life. Hisnonexistent heart pounded within his chest.“Witness this!”The wand activated, and then the Martial Lord gasped. Then, his chest beganmoving.“Resurrection magic is the province of high-level priests. However, it is not achallenge for me! 

[V10]

“...Thinking too much about this is annoying. Let’s see what kind of Dragonyou are.”A thrill of terror shot through Hejinmal’s body.He was far too relaxed. He was talking as though he had picked up a stonefrom the ground. It was a tone which demonstrated his confidence in beingable to do what he spoke of.And then, in the moment when he saw the Elder Lich raise his hand─“[Grasp─”

...

“─Heart], hang on, what?”Hejinmal desperately pleaded with the Elder Lich, whose hand had stoppedmoving.

[V11] 

Jaldabaoth slowly looked to the sky.“It is about time that my army arrived at this city. I need to smash the gatesand usher in a storm of slaughter and carnage.”“Do, do you think we’ll let you do that?”“Allowme?I do not need you to allow me anything. All you need to do isaccept it. Like say, the gift of a star.” 

Jaldabaoth raised the hand that was not holding Calca, and then, like he wassearching for something — he pointed to the sky.“—STOP!!!” Remedios shouted because she did not know what he was goingto do.However, everyone was frozen in place, their hands tied. That was becausethey could not attack Jaldabaoth, who held the Holy Queen hostage.No, everyone was afraid that if they attacked him, he would block it withCalca’s body. What would they do if Calca died from their blows?Heedless to the confusion of Remedios and the others — the star fell.

]V12]  

 “Greater Magic Seal,Mass Hold Species.”The Sorcerer King did not stop walking as he cast his spells.After incanting those two spells, he waved a hand and conjured severalflickering shadows.There were ten of them in total

[V12]

“Our aim is to kill every single one of the Bafolk here! It doesn’t matter whathappens to the humans!Widen Magic — Fireball!”The Sorcerer King extended his hand with a shout, and the fireball that flewforth blew away the Bafolk and the boy he was holding.

[V12] 

—However, if I let you become one of my subordinates — Pestonya andNigredo would not be happy. Also, be at ease. I will not do anything wastefullike only using the skull. I’ll make full use of every part of you.”Now die,the Sorcerer King said as he erected a slender fingerbone.“Aiiiieee! No, no, nooooo! I don’t want to die!! Wait!! I’m begging you!!!Please, I’m begging you!!! I, I still, I still have some value!!!! — I’m usefulenough to make you happy!!!! Really!!!!! Believe me!!!!!”“All things which live must die. The difference is in how soon or late theymeet their fate.”“No!!!!! Don’t look at me that way!!!!! Don’t, don’t kill me!!!!!”Buser rose to his feet, then turned around and ran.Neia stared, dumbfounded at how fast a living creature could run when itsdemise was at hand.However, the Sorcerer King’s spell was faster still.“How boring. —Death.”

[V12] 

 

The Sorcerer King let go of his halberd. The halberd then vanished, asthough it had melted into the air. The same thing must have happened with thegreatsword from just now.After that, the Sorcerer King made a grasping motion, and now he had ablack longsword in each of his hands.

 

[V12]  

If his finger pointed to her, would she be the one to perish next?

[V13]  

 After replying thus to Doppel-Lupusregina, Ainz backed away from them,then flicked the coin up with his thumb so it landed between the two of them.As the coin hit the ground, Ainz jumped back, then threw his hands out andshouted:“Absolute Immunity Barrier

[V13] 

“「Twin Maximize Magic Re―”Just as Ainz was about to cast a spell at Lupusregina, another bullet hitAinz’s arm and interrupted his spell.

[V13] 

 

Maximize Magic―”As he raised his hand, his hand was struck and damaged, and the spellfizzled. The mana spent on casting the spell was wasted.

[V13] 

Her opponent let go of his Arcane Rifle and extended something forwards.His next attack appeared to be magic-based.“Good, now what?”As she pondered. Albedo did not use any special ability of hers as she shortened the distance between them. If she had, even give the current distance between them, he would still be in her strike range. However, Albedo did not wish to expose her hand yet.From the enemy’s right hand, a brilliant green light shot out, flew towards Albedo, and struck her.

[V14]
The enemy landed, raised a hand, and spoke. Their voice was that of a

male’s.“[World-Isolating Barrier]”

[V14]

“Don’t move. Otherwise I would not only target you with my magic, but the Princessas well.”Climb was about to draw his sword but stopped himself when he saw that Evileye had raised a hand in his and Renner’s direction.

[V14] 

Rise up.”The Sorcerer King extended one hand and in an instant, ablack sword appeared. The length of the blade was around that of a longsword

[V14] 

The taller robed figure extended a hand.It was a skeletal hand.The names of many skeletal magic casters flashed through his mind, but theywere all oddballs. None of them could have defeated Kunivela the Night Lich.So what was this being – as his thoughts reached that point, they froze

[KBA] 

Athin,membranous substance expanded and seemed tocover theentiremoun-tain. It was massive, and looked to have an area measured in the kilometers.While he did not know its ofβicial name, Suzuki Satoru knew its effects.It was a teleport-blocking barrier. It was the βirst Wild Magic spell that theBrightness Dragon Lord had used.

[KBA] 

Wednesday, December 23, 2020

[Repost] Gobbos Reberu Nonsense

 It's a greater than or equal list of absolute level, not difficulty rating.

So Dragon Emperor is greater than or equal to Cure Elim ("that guy from the Vampire Princess") ie Level 95.

The list is only ordinal, it does not actually specify the magnitude of difference besides the lower end of the list is far less spread out than the first part.

The Commanding Officer of each unit under the Supreme King is indeed Enri's Goblins. Enri is often referred to as the Supreme King... but it never got translated consistently. The wiki is accurate in this case.

If you recall the Volume 12 Author Notes, the Goblin Paladin 'CO' was implied to be superior to Remedios. eg, 'one of' implies only one Goblin Paladin is superior to Remedios, and we know each unit possesses one powerful member each. The twitter list reinforces this fact and generalizes most of the advanced members of the Goblin Army.

>The strongest paladin of the Holy Kingdom, but unfortunately, she is only thestrongest in the Holy Kingdom, and not the strongest in the region. The βirstis someone in the Black Scripture, the second is one of Enri’s(?) subordinates,and then her.

[V12AT]

Let's go through it fact by fact.

1.) Goblin Redcaps are Level 43

>hese are the Redcaps that I had summoned for me ~su!”There were 30 of them.The Goblins which revealed themselves resembled the army from back then,their bodies twisted and evil.All of them wore bright red caps and steel boots upon their feet. Theycarried hatchets which glowed blue in the moonlight.“Enemy attack! What the hell are you doing! Wake up! Take up your arms!The enemy is upon us!”Barbro’s bellowing woke the soldiers from their slumber. They boltedupright, and then stared at the enemy under the blinding moonlight.“─They’re level 43, so really, they’re kind of overkill for you, but the librarydidn’t have any weaker Goblins ~su.”

[V9]

2.) The Goblin Paladin Leader is implied to be superior to Remedios(hero)

See above

So The Commanding Officer of each unit (one person per unit) under the Supreme King is minimum Level 30 as it appears the Commanders are uniformly the same level? (it doesn't say 'average'). It's debatable but we'll assume it's not  typo.

3.) A member of the black scripture is considered superior to the Goblin Paladin Leader (presumed) ; Black Scripture Paladin > Goblin Paladin

This Goblin Paladin is presumed to be the Goblin PAladin Corp's leader. Not explicit but the general level and singularity support it.

4.) Red Caps are not described possessing a leader.

>The 13 Redcaps are strong. They’re so strong, it’s hard to express.

V9AT

>Q:Maruyama-san, I was reading Volume 9, but I have some questions. Arethe Red Caps that Enri summmons and the Red Caps Lupusregina bringsthe same level?

>A:I apologize. They are the same but there is a difference in equipment and techniques, the levelsarethe same. The other goblins have  various levels.

TWTR

Similarly, no noticeably distinct Red Cap Goblin gets described. Enri doesn't mention a 'more evil' one in Volume 11. If Red Caps are Level 43, it makes sense no Red Cap Corp leader exists - it would be inferior to it's own members. If such a creature exists, Enri's horn didn't appear to summon it.

Given the above, it appears the Red caps fall outside the "Commander of each unit' designation. The Goblin Strategeist is listed separately as well in the same list.

Goblin Strategist[??] >= Rigrit[Black Scripture level? around Tier 6, Level 36**] >= Commander rank under the supreme ruler (each unit has one person)[at least Level 30, at best 35*?] >= Remedios [around Level 30].

Adding what we know you can only logically deduce the above for certain. We could infer the Redcaps are superior to the Strategist but you can't say for certain. Only when Lupusregina appears, they come out first and ignore the Strategist and Enri's orders. Could just be becuase they are body guards.

Augmenting it with our deductions:

Goblin Strategist[36+] >= Rigrit[Level 36+] >= Commander rank under the supreme ruler (each unit has one person)[30-35] >= Remedios [around Level 30].

There isn't enough data to determine the Strategist or Rigrit's exact level, only Rigrit is probably atleast 36, so we can establish a minimum for the Strategist.

*Members of the Black Scripture are said to rival Death Knights[V10] and Lakyus, a hero confirmed several members were all superior to her but inferior to Evileye[V14]. Strongest Human was described exceeding them, probably an outlier around Fluder's level or so. Sidestory Ainz confirmed the strongest 'normal' people seem to be in the 40s. Similarly in V13AT, Maruyama makes a point to say Heroes or Outliers could probably defeat the Pleiades but most would just die easily. Finally, Maruyama said Evileye >Demon Gods average > 13 Heroes avereage[Arcadia]. So it's clear since Entoma is approximately Evileye and most races needed the 13 Heroes to defeat Demon Gods, this supports the 40ish limit of anyone lacking Player blood. Awakened Player descendants are outside naturally given evne 1st Seat is ranked above all the regular Agrande Dragonlords. True Dragonlords are also an exception.   

**Members of te Black Scripture and 13 Heroes are said to use 6th tier magic sometimes. And Fluder said Rigrit was outstanding even among heroes. Many assume Outlier = 6th Tier but Fluder is probably an 'Outlier ' for being Level 40+ not for sixth tier.

Sunday, December 20, 2020

[Repost] World Class Item Priority and Attributes

 

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i mean from another stand point, if WCIs don't work on anyone holding a WCI, doesn't that mean that a WCI won't work on its holder?
 
Conscious control allowances apply for some YGGDRASIL based abilities. Ainz's Damage invalidation and Skeletal Dragon's Magic invalidation come to mind. If World items are programmed similarly, if you want to be under it's influence you will be.
“No! I won’t! I won’t let you!Ray of Negative Energy!”A beam of black light shone extended from Khazit’s hand and touched theSkeletal Dragon, quickly healing its injuries with negative energy.
“So it’s immune to magic, but it can be healed with magic.”Khazit ignored Narberal’s mockery and continued casting spells
[V2]
“―Your Majesty, Sorcerer King Ainz Ooal Gown. At the very end, pleaseshow me ― even if it is just a fraction ― of your true power. Allow me toexperience the zenith of might!”The Martial Lord forcefully brandished his weapon.“Really now... Very well. Then I shall reveal the pinnacle of power to you.”Ainz activated his skill, and strode forth.He entered the Martial Lord’s attack range. The Martial Lord swung down.It was completely different from the speed at which he had raised it. Hemight have used martial arts to accelerate it. Still, it was nothing compared tothe speed before he had his abilities penalized. It was far too slow.The club swung down on Ainz’s body, but Ainz paid it no heed.The attack could no longer harm Ainz’s body.Ainz walked through it, as though caressed by a gentle wind.
[V10]
 

All or Nothing effects exist too that cut you off from beneficial and detrimental effects of a certain type.
As the name implied, the Circlet of Iron Will defended the mind againstcharm, fear, and other such mental attacks. Still, while the circlet rendered oneimmune to magical attacks, it could only strengthen the wearer’s resistanceagainst attacks derived from special abilities. Another thing she had to notewas that the circlet would also negate positive magical effects.
[V12] Seems originally WORLD was an All or Nothing buff. It was retroactively allowed, well allowances based on conscious control.
Of course, the two of them had entered this oublietted segment of reality oftheir own volition. Normally speaking, World-Class Items could not affectholders of other World-Class Items, but it would be a different matter if thoseholders accepted that influence. All that was thanks to a patch from the devs.
[V11] Still it is never described cancelling out it's own item usage. To my memory no single person is described using two world class items at once but Ainz sits on the Throne and wears his REDACTED of Momonga. Unless you want to argue isekai quartet only happened because Ainz accidentally disabled the guild's defense by sitting down on it's defensive world class item while wearing another?
 
 
There's also the debate whether WORLD protects you from just someone using a World class item as just gear ie for melee for example. More than likely, certain attacks, abilities, and broad areas of effect get tagged as 'WORLD' in terms of effect priority. In that case it probably follows the Skeletal dragon logic. Given it seems World Champion's can defend against certain effects if timed correctly, and Wish Upon a Star cannot undo certain effects, that supports the idea at least. WORLD would consequently protect against WORLD tagged abilities.
 
 
Using Overlord's system logic, WORLD is probably categorized in the Attribute system. Just not a common one.
 
Using World Enemies for example, certain abilities of theirs ignored racial immunities and the like. In terms of programming it maes more sense to say WORLD is probably a prioritized Attribute than a Effect Priority in that case.
 
WORLD would probably protect against any WORLD atributes you don't want.
ie Post patch.
 
 eg it's the Skeletal Dragon nullification discrimination.
 
 
 
 
"tho excluding your own attribute" 

Basically. Then again it depends.
It's not guaranteed every WORLD ability operates based on that notion, just system wise, most targeted effects probably just use the Attribute system.
halltear and Ainz were protected by World-Class Items, so they would notbe imprisoned within the otherworld. Instead they would appear in the paintedlandscape which substituted for the region of devoured reality. However, as theitem’s user, Aura would automatically be sucked in.
[V11] As the above indicates, Aura wasn't allowed to chose to not enter her WCI's effect.
So exceptions exist.
Could just be a balancing idea though. If you used Depiction and didn't enter you could just trap people inside and only be in trouble if they escaped. As far as outside users are concerned, it seems to still operate on an At Will system. Longinus is similar in it does not allow you to escape your own deletion for usage. You could just as easily attribute that to a activation requirement instead of a WORLD effect however.
More than likely WORLD doesn't stop it because it's registered as a Component for usage. Similar to consumption, gesture, or resource components. It's a similar paradox to Victim dying but still triggering an ability in death.
People would argue you can't activate an effect upon death since you are 'gone'
But it mainly depends on the construction of said ability, in this case coding and wording.
Given the rarity of world class items, it's not impossible each was individually coded as well but it's safer to assume they are operating in some common framework to WCE and anti wild magic at least. The Attribute system just seems to be the most likely candidate.
 
 

Thursday, December 10, 2020

DM Repost - Y Zenberu so scared of boogeyman

 

v4 - lizardmen can see objects clearly in the dark


v11 - lizardman has to be carried around in the dark because he has no darkvision


which one is it =_=
 
A:
 
 

AM :

Curiously enough, this house lacked windows, though it had ventilationholes scattered throughout its walls. Like any other Lizardman, Zaryusu couldsee just fine in the dark. However, that did not imply they enjoyed living indarkness.That being the case, why did this leader live in a dark little hut like this?
[V4]
The interior of the tunnelswere lit by lanterns containing naturally glowing oil. However, those lanterns
were spaced very far apart, so at times, entire sections of the tunnel wereshrouded in darkness. That said, all Dwarves had dark vision, which couldeasily overcome the darkness. Of course, this dark vision did not haveunlimited range, but it was enough to go from lantern to lantern
[V11]
There was no light from the outside in the cave, and soon they wereimmersed in complete darkness. However, it posed no problems to Ainz, whohad dark vision. Shalltear, Aura, the other undead and the magical beasts alsopossessed that ability. At their level, mere darkness was not a disadvantage toanyone present.Zenberu, on the other hand, was being cradled like a princess by one of theundead.
[V11] 1.) Maruyama forgot 2.) Lizardmen don't possess Darkvision but only Low Light Vision 3.) Both scenes are accurate; Zenberu was just scared of the dark tunnel because: 3a: Lizardmen darkvision isn't as good as other races (limited max range eg 10 meters?) 3b: Zenberu was going through afterlife "darkness" PTSD or PTSD from his first visit and getting attacked 3c: Zenberu is claustophobic The volume 11 description implies Lizardmen lack dark vision but it is only an implication given Zenberu was only having "trouble". Given it doesn't come up despite going through other tunnels and narrow buildings, the problem seems to just be the darkness. Since Zaryusu and Zenberu are the same race, the Volume 4 detail should not contradict this detail giving Maru the benefit of the doubt. It's possible he mixed up the source data for lizardmen between games though.

9:16 AM :

We could suppose this was a case of unreliable narrator of course. Given Zaryusu's fear under a spell effect, it's possible Lizardmen are just instinctually afraid of the dark or its' nurtured by life in the forest and how going for land offerings was considered something worth acknowledging .
“You fool! Know fear!Scare!”Zaryusu’s vision shuddered. He began to wonder where he was as a namelessterror bloomed within him, and he felt as though something was going to lungeat him from the side.
[V4]
However, Mare was not displeased.That was because the ones who had made those offerings were filled withgenuine respect and reverence. For instance, fresh flowers did not grow in theswampland, but in the forests which were very dangerous to the Lizardmen ─they must have risked their lives to pick them.
[V8]
“We won’t be entering the forest?”“Yes, because the forest is very dangerous. We can still deal with things likeJumping Leeches and Giant Beetles, but the Hanging Spiders which spit webs
at you from the trees and the Forest Worms which maul you from the groundwith their huge jaws are harder to handle.
[V2]
After leaving E-Rantel, the sun was at its zenith, and the travelers could see avast stretch of dense and primeval dark green forest in the distance. The thicktree trunks stood tall, while their leafy branches spread wide. Because lightcould not penetrate into the depths of the forest, there was a feeling that theywould be swallowed by the blackness. The gaps between the trees looked like agaping maw waiting for prey to throw themselves into it, which contributed tothe sense of unease that they felt.
[V2]

9:35 AM :

Their feet were large with webbed toes, optimized for movement in waterand marshlands. Therefore, they were not as adept at overland movement, .
[V4]
Then, there were the rangers, who formed hunting parties. Their main taskwas to catch fish, but the regular Lizardmen would help in that task as well.Thus, their most important job was their activities in the forest.Lizardmen were omnivorous, but their main diet was a kind of fish whichwas around eighty centimeters long, and they disliked vegetables and fruits.Even so, the hunters still had to enter the forest for logging purposes. The landwas not safe for Lizardmen; thus specialists were needed when they went tofell trees.
[V4] Since no fear is described in Volume 11 and Zenberu doesn't seem to echo fear later at any point, it's possible that scene was a misunderstanding: for example Zenberu could of seen Shalltear carried princess style at one point - heard the reason for it and mistakingly believed thatdue to his webbed feet that was just how one who was carried for ''difficulties' due to terrain.
The two of them ran at breakneck speeds along the beast paths of the forest,as though they were trying to cut through the vegetation. The terrain wasatrocious, with branches and twigs jutting out from all sides. However, theirdresses were not damaged in the slightest, and the high heels they wore easilypushed them over the terrible footing as they forged ever onward.The leading Vampire Bride carefully cradled Shalltea
Shalltear, who was lounging in the Vampire Bride’s arms — in other words,in a princess carry position — stretched her legs in annoyance.
The reason Shalltear was not running in the forest was because she felt itwas a bother, and because she did not want to dirty her shoes. There wasanother reason for that, but nobody here would speak it, or even think of doingso. Even in Nazarick, only a few people would dare bring it up to her fac
[V3]

9:40 AM :

Ultimately you can believe any of these reasons you want ince all are plausible to some extent. Given it's lack of an exact mention in later volumes, and Zenberu's demeanor in other confined and dark places, it's most likely due to being in complete darkness, near a depopulated city as a precaution/misunderstanding of Shalltear's Vampire Bride taxi service, or a worry Zenberu's dragging tail/clumsy feet may give away their position etc.

9:41 AM :

Maruyama isn't perfect however, so it would be funny if he just fucked up and mixed up their traits
The Vampire Bride could of decided it would be bad to inconvenience Ainz even by a second to wait for Zenberu too so just yoinked him without his input.

9:51 AM :

That or Shalltear brought it up to them in consideration for Ainz and her being aware of the webbed feet pros/cons.

 
Mature male Lizardmen averaged around a hundred ninety centimeters talland weighed over one hundred kilograms. Their body mass was not composedof fat, but of bulging muscles, which contributed to an impressive andimposing physique.
Facing them was a gigantic male Lizardman who was in excess of twohundred thirty centimeters in height. That alone would not have qualified himas monstrous, but that was not the only reason it was described as such.For starters, his right arm was extremely large and bizarre in appearance,like the oversize claw of a fiddler crab. No, his left arm was hardly slender,being about the same as Zaryusu’s. It was merely his right arm which wasabnormally thick, and it had not become that way because of a mutation ordisease, but simply because of sheer muscle mas
[V4]
Perhaps the races from the outside world would not be able to bear thesense of pressure which the tunnels imposed on its occupants. However, it hadno effect at all on the underground-dwelling Dwarves. The tunnels might haveseemed narrow, but they were quite spacious to the Dwarves. Given that theaverage height of a Dwarf was around 130cm, a tunnel of around 180cm acrosswas broad enough for them.
The Dwarf — who trembled in both body and voice — brought them to asomewhat cramped room. Then again, it would probably not have beencramped for a Dwarf. It was just the right size for Aura and Shalltear. However,they had Zenberu there, who was large of stature. Just waiting in the room feltvery claustrophobic for him.
[V11] I forgot Zenberu was in the NBA. Maybe they had to carry him to reduce his cross sectional area to even fit?

10:04 AM :

All of Ainz's people are mostly 'Japanese' in stature. But Zenberu be in that European height bracket